
Title Fights: You've GOT to be Kidding!
We have created a segment on WBAN: Title Fights: You've GOT to be kidding! This segment is for the Boxing Community who write in to WBAN (and for WBAN), about some of the most outrageous title fights we are seeing and continue to see in the sport! These would be extreme instances of titles being made. We believe that the boxing community should have a voice, and we have received a sufficient amount of emails repeatedly for some time now about these fights that it is time that they have a public voice on WBAN to talk about it. Not all submissions will be posted. To report a fight, go to Link to Form
(DEC 5) On Saturday night, at the Deportivo Morelos Pavon, in Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico, Fredee Gonzalez, now 6-8-1, has fought Zulina Munoz FOUR TIMES----losing four out of four fights against Munoz. Munoz was defending her WBC "Silver" Bantamweight title, when she defeated Gonzalez for the fourth time, by a 10-round unanimous decision.
It can "safely" be "assumed" at this point that Munoz, can move on to another opponent, as she has now been responsible for delivering Gonzalez a whooping 50% of her total losses in the sport, with four out of her eight defeats.
The WBC sanctioned this title fight for Gonzalez to fight Munoz, even though Gonzalez came into the fight with three losses in her last four fights.
(DEC 2) Honestly-----I say this with the utmost sincerity that I can possibly muster up that "this story" about another questionable title fight is not bias.
I would like to make this disclaimer that WBAN does not get pleasure in writing about the many nonsensical title fights that we are continuing to see in the sport---and that we would also like to say that some of these same federations do get it right at times, and sanction some very good and competent title bouts for the female boxers.
Unfortunately this article is not about one of those "stellar" bouts.
While we have one of the top female boxing title fights taking place tonight, in Albuquerque, New Mexico between Holly Holm vs. Anne Sophie Mathis fighting for a world title-----the following night we have a potential “stinker” brewing in Mexico.
According to Boxrec and the WBC website, Zulina Munoz, 30-1-2 (21 KO), will defend her WBC Silver Bantamweight title against Fredee Gonzalez, 6-7-1 (2KO), at the Deportivo Morelos Pavon, in Mexico City, Mexico.
Gonzalez is ranked a "lowly" #19 worldwide with Boxrec.
Point and question...Munoz has already fought Gonzalez THREE times, defeating Gonzalez THREE times--- with one being a stoppage of her in the seventh round by TKO.
My final point is the following: WBAN, not to mention the rest of the boxing community, would like to know how Gonzalez would qualify to fight for ANY title at this time in her boxing career. She enters into this fight losing THREE of her last FOUR fights, and her overall record is below the 500 mark. Boxing record of Gonzalez
Gonzalez stated on the WBC website the following about her upcoming fight with Munoz: "She [Gonzalez] thinks that this fourth bout will be the one she wins because she has changed her manager and knows that if she achieves the WBC Bantamweight Silver Title, she will have better bouts, better salaries and the chance to fight for the world title."
According to Boxrec, on September 3, 2011, at the Hotel Sheraton, in Colon City, Panama, junior (light) flyweight Abigail Villar won an eight-round unanimous decision over Yaditza Perez----winning the WBC Latino junior flyweight title.Perez is now 2-7-0 (0KO), and Villar moves her record to 5-5-3 (1KO). This was a rematch for these two, whereas in their first fight that took place on June 3, 2011, Villar won by a four-round unanimous decision. Perez came into this title fight with SIX STRAIGHT LOSSES----not winning a fight since 2008!
The only wins that Perez has on her record, came from her first two fights, defeating Damiana Duran, 0-1-0, in a four-rounder, and Carolina Montenegro, 1-1-2, winning by a majority decision in a four round bout in 2008.
How does one get an opportunity to fight for any title belt when they lost six straight times, in 2009, 2010, and 2011?
We do not expect the WBC to answer this question at this point. They have definitely established a "Track Record" with having some very good women's boxing title fights, to the other end of the spectrum of some of the very worst title fights in the sport.
(AUG 26) Tonight on the boxing show titled "Night of Titles" at the Southport RSL Club in Southport, Queensland, (Australia time zone) Nadine Brown, 133¾, now 2-0, with having a (reported) past amateur record of 15 bouts, won a six-round majority decision over Sarah O'Connell, 132½. Both women fight out of Queensland, Australia. Final judges scores were 55-59, 55-59, and 57-57.
The two were fighting for a vacant local Queensland lightweight title in this six-rounder. The sport seems to have one silly title after another on some of these bouts.
It has been reported on the net that Sarah had three pro bouts on her record coming into the fight, and is an experienced kickboxer with 36 kickboxing bouts. [Source for the reported background records: Link]
Neither Boxrec, or WBAN have any recorded pro bouts on Sarah. We both have this as Sarah O'Connell making her pro debut. We welcome Team O'Connell to send us the data on her reported three pro bouts, and we can add those to her record (if they exist).
We are going to add this six-round title bout to our new segment: Title Fights: You've Got to be Kidding, due to it being six rounds on top of the fact that the boxers who were fighting for the title had little experience one of the pro boxers, came in with a 1-0 record, and the other a likely pro debuter. Link to Segment
(AUG 20) Before I talk about the six-round NABF title bout that took place last night, I want to say that this is not targeted at the female boxers or their managers who fought for this particular title. They are trying to be active on boxing cards, and it is really out of their hands on this topic.
With that said, last night at the Dover Downs Hotel & Casino, in Dover, Delaware, Ronica Jeffrey, 127½, won a six-round unanimous decision over Ela Nunez, 128. Scores: 59-55, 59-55, and 60-54. The two were fighting a six-rounder Super Featherweight NABF title belt.
My question is this-----and will ALWAYS be this until this....Why would any organization take women's boxing back to the dark ages "literally" by having "Baby Belt" competitions in six rounder, 12 minutes in duration title fights?
Can you only "imagine" male boxers fighting 12 minutes, six-round bouts for a TITLE BELT with a federation?
The NABF states the following rule in regards to NABF title fights for women: "The NABF Belt is a stepping stone to a World Title. We want to differentiate from the other belts. We are dedicated to encouraging fights within the USA, Canada and Mexico during an economically challenged time. We also want to motivate young fighters. Therefore, we are going to allow 6-8 round championship fights. We will also look seriously as the athletes amateur record in considering their qualifications. Hopefully, this will diminish your costs but not the quality of your fighters." Here are the links to the rules for both women and men.
[Link to rule for women] [men's rules - their standard most generally are 12 rounds (3 minutes)--there can be exceptions to their rules, but they certainly are not fighting two-minute six round bouts for their belts-didn't see any mention of cutting cost for economic reasons for male boxers in their rules]
So...they are doing this practice with the women boxers for the "Economic" climate? To cut the Costs? Give women more opportunities?
My question is this .....Why are female boxers getting the cuts in rounds, which means ultimately the possibility of cuts in purses. Wouldn't it make more sense to lower rounds for male boxers since they are the "majority" on the boxing cards?
I "really" do not expect any answers to the questions I have asked about this----and I am certainly not advocating that they or any federations cut men's bouts to six rounds.
It is disappointing to see some of these federations "so" obviously desperate (in my opinion) to do any and everything to get their belt on a boxing card. AND..at any expense that ultimately either affects the sport, or the female boxers who deserve so much more.
On August 13, 2011, at the Deportivo Tlalli, in Tlalnepantla, México, Ibeth Zamora Silva, 22 years old, of Mexico, 108, fought unrated Yacksury Gordon, 28 years old, 108, in the defense of her WBC Youth female light flyweight title. Silva won by a third round TKO over Silva.
WBAN received many emails reporting to us about this WBC "Youth" title fight, that the boxing community wanted to have added to our new segment: TITLE FIGHTS: YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING! (Ask and ye shall receive---this fight qualifies to be documented in that database that will archive any and all questionable title bouts in the sport.).
In their WBC youth rules that is posted on the net, they state the following: "At the discretion of the World Boxing Council Youth Committee, a current Youth Champion will be allowed to defend his title against a qualified opponent over the age of 22 years/11 months in the champion’s weight class. If the champion is victorious he retains the title and the fight will count as a title defense. If he is defeated the title will be declared vacant. (This rule is an exception to the general rules for the “superstar” fighter and will not be applied on a regular basis.)" Link to their WBC Rules
So, apparently, is it at the discretion of the WBC, to allow the champion to fight much older boxers, who incidentally are unranked boxers?
And so what IS in it for the opponent fighting the defending Youth fighter(s)----one might ask?
Apparently the older mature adult fighter gets "Nothing" if they win. They receive NO BELT? The title becomes VACANT? What in the world are these people smoking? (chuckle)
Tale of the Tape for the Ratings of both boxers:
Ratings Information:
Boxrec: Silva rated #4 as a junior flyweight, Gordon, not rated. Ratings Information for the
WBC Ratings: Rated #7 as a Strawweight, Gordon, not rated.
WBAN Ratings: Silva rated #4 strawweight, Gordon, not rated.
Women's WBF World Superweight Title Aug 14.. OMG, here we go again..Unathi Myekeni 8-0 vs Gabisile Tshabalala 5-0-1. Tashabala fought 5 debuters and a 0-1 fighter.. Myekeni fought in her 8 fights, only 1 person Helen Joseph with a winning record which was 10-0, this record was bulit against 7 pro debuters & a 0-1 fighter ! etc. etc etc.. shame on the WBF, call your title a Chumpion, not a Champion! Mary Ann Owen